Carnegie libraries in Nebraska <title search> Carnegie libraries in Iowa Clicking on the URL will take the user to a screen of thumbprints with all the images, then you can click on each thumbnail to go to a full screen image. Try in a few weeks, they should be up by then. This pilot is the model for future endeavors but at this point in time we have no intention of putting all our images on the WWW -- too many copyright issues. We will be putting select projects up from time to time. There are many other slide records available in our OPAC however, try a search for author I.M. Pei or Charles Moore and see how many slide records you can find! (hint -- we put the titles of slides from copy photography in brackets) We are really proud of our cataloging. Our records are really good - excuse the bragging. The problem with cataloging on OCLC and integrating the records in our OPAC is that it is very labor/time intensive to do perfect records -- the authority work especially takes some time. But we feel the end product is worth it. Only part of our collection is in the OPAC - we used to catalog one slide per record in Inmagic. My main job right now is retoconverting all those old records and recataloging them in OCLC. I would be happy to answer any other questions you may have about our system here. Good luck with your planning. Judy Winkler "Sum ergo edo" Architecture Slide Library University of Nebraska-Lincoln ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:23:24 +1200 From: "Paul Sutherland <http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/>" <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: WEBCAT-L Digest - 28 Jul 1997 to 29 Jul 1997 To: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Would love to see your results... (I am trying to persuade our heritage people to consider digitising our collection and move it out of Hypercard(!) to our DRA System... Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Sutherland <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Information Technology Librarian Canterbury Public Library Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/ ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Suzanne Ogden-Roberts <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help Sender: Visual Resources Association <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> In response to Michael Robertson's inquiry concerning online catalog of slides: ------------------------------------------- 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? -separate online catalog that is not integrated with general library catalog 2) If you do keep a separate online slide catalog, what database system are you using? EmbARK, Informix Illustra, Oracle MediaServer, Microsoft Access, FileMaker Pro, OCLC SiteSearch/WebZ or another Z39.50 database server, a locally-created system? -Use Fourth Dimension and have been experimenting with Kodak Shoebox images database software. However Shoebox seems to have its limitations. 3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of slides with traditional book material? N/A 4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? -this is possible in Shoebox however I am not satisfied with the software capabilities. 5) Have you looked at using or are you using a Z39.50 compliant server for your slide catalog? If yes, which one? -No. 6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog record? In other words, are you using: a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on the Dublin Core (http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft (http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? d) fields defined locally by you? e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? -d. Custom made database 7) May we look at your site on the Internet? -do not have slide collection on the Internet I hope this was helpful and yes I would like to see your other responses to the about questions. Thank you. Suzanne Ogden-Roberts NYS College of Ceramics at Alfred University Alfred, NY 14802 <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:20:00 +0200 From: "Timothy E. Thompson" <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library WebPAC help To: Michael Robertson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide collection into your general >>>library WebPAC, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your >>> slide library that is not integrated with your general library WebPAC? It's separate. We run CASPR's LibraryWorks for the MacOS and now they've come out with a new product, called LibraryNet, which works with your existing library. LibraryNet is basically a WebSTAR plugin that allows your pre-existing LibraryWorks library to be web-accessible. Since I want to mount both our regular library and our digital library on the same PowerMac 8100 server, I have to run two copies of WebSTAR, each on a different port number. >>>3) If you've integrated it into your library's online WebPAC, who is >>>your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of slides with >>>traditional book material? CASPR didn't necessarily intend their LibraryNet to be used with digital images, but I figured out how to do it on my own and it works pretty well. We haven't yet tested the slide library out on our users (undergraduate study-abroad students)but I think they will appreciate being able to study these images, especially since some of the images are only shown once in class and aren't easily locatable in texts. BTW, we are ensuring that these images will only be viewable by our students over our Intranet in order to satisfy the CONFU guidelines for fair use. >>>4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? Yes, we have a thumbnail of the image right in the record, so the patron can immediately see the image. To see the entire, full resolution image, one simply clicks on the thumbnail. Actually, it's not really a thumbnail (i.e. a separate, low-resolution GIF), but the actual full-resolution image forced to fit into a size we specify, using HTML, like this: <A HREF="image"><IMG SRC="image" HEIGHT=200 WIDTH=100></A>. Doing it this way, using the HEIGHT and WIDTH variables, allows us to control the size and shape of the thumbnail, so if, for instance, the image is wide rather than tall, we switch the values to: HEIGHT=100 WIDTH=200. This also saves on disk space since you don't need to have extra low-res GIF's of the same image. >>>6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide >>> catalog record? In other words, are you using: >> >>> d) fields defined locally by you? Slide#, Artist, Title, Date, Location, City, Country, Provenance, Medium, Dimensions, Period, Notes, Instructor, Image (this is where the <A HREF="Image.jpg"> tag goes), Copyright Info. >>>7) May we look at your site on the Internet? Sorry, no, it's on a protected Intranet. ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:29:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacqueline Tygart <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help To: Michael Robertson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Michael, YES there is interest. Please summarize for this list. My answers are below, though we're still in the development stage, and after seeing the results of your research, I might be tempted to change my mind. Jacqueline Tygart, Art & Architecture Librarian, Drury College On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Michael Robertson wrote: > > 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general > library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your > slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? SEPARATE (AND FAR FROM EQUAL) > 2) If you do keep a separate online slide catalog, what database system > are you using? EmbARK, Informix Illustra, Oracle MediaServer, Microsoft > Access, FileMaker Pro, OCLC SiteSearch/WebZ or another Z39.50 database > server, a locally-created system? IN THE PROCESS OF MIGRATING FROM AN OLD DOS BASED FLAT FILE TO FILEMAKER PRO 3.0, WHICH WE HOPE TO MAKE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH OUR LIBRARY WEB PAGE. (CURRENTLY OUR LIB. PAC IS NOT WEB...IS DYNIX...AND WE'RE GETTING LESS AND LESS FOND OF IT.) > 3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or > WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of > slides with traditional book material? > > 4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? WE HOPE TO IN THE FUTURE. OUR ENTIRE SLIDE COLLECTION IS ONLY 45,000 NOW...LESS THAN YOUR PROJECT. I WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT KIND OF STORAGE/SERVER CAPACITY IT TAKES YOU FOR 60,000 IMAGES. > 5) Have you looked at using or are you using a Z39.50 compliant server > for your slide catalog? > If yes, which one? > > 6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog > record? In other words, are you using: > a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? > b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on > the Dublin Core >(http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? > c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft > (http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? > d) fields defined locally by you? > e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? FIELDS DEFINED LOCALLY BACK IN 1989. I'M LOOKING AT THE VRA CORE TO SEE WHAT FIELDS TO ADD AND WHAT TO SUBTRACT. > 7) May we look at your site on the Internet? PROBABLY NOT ANYTIME TOO SOON :( ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:49:42 -0400 From: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Subject: RE: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC' To: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Michael- We, here, at the National Aquarium in Baltimore are just beginning to deal with issues similar to those you mentioned. Although our numbers may be smaller than the 30,000 slides you mentioned (ca. 10,000 slides) the collection is far too scattered and needs organization. We are also committed to getting an on-line public access catalog to cover our on-site reference collection (ca. 2,000 texts, with numerous additional "satellite" collections. I am the sole librarian, and so, am seeking a solution which will maximize my efforts in both the slides and text categories. I won't have time to do labels and scanning and Digitization is a must for archival/preservation purposes. An on-line system is necessary to accommodate our staff who are located in any of four different buildings. I have spoken with Willoughby Associates in Illinois (312-645-5500) whose specialty is museum automation. They are able to serve as a contractor to handle steps from digitization through data-entry. (Also try their webpage: www.willoughby.com) One of the companies Willoughby uses for digitization is LUNA Imaging, of Venice, CALIF. -- I understand LUNA is also excellent-- you may try contacting them as well. A phone number is: (310)-452- 8370. Now, for the OPACs and Library automation: I am currently looking at: EOS International /Carlsbad, CALIF. (1-800-876-5484) www.eosintl.com ILS International Library Systems / B.C., CANADA (604)-278-6716 www.ils.com and INMAGIC / Woburn, MASS. (617)-938-4442 www.inmagic.com Cuadra Associates, / Los Angeles 1-800-366-1390 also has a fine system, which seems to handle images very well (only it is not yet compatible with our networking environment -- too bad.) You might want to give them a try as well. Since our Exhibits and Design as well as Publications staff carry such demanding standards for the quality of photographic images, I will have to keep the original slides for our graphic artists' exclusive use. In that case, we might not need to get two separate systems, but rather, just one which handles our text works well, and which does a good (not necessarily stellar) job with images.... I'm still looking at this problem, as you are, too. I'd appreciate whatever you find out, (if it's not posted to the entire VRA list). I'll likewise keep you posted on our findings. Many thanks, and Best of Luck in your search! Susi Ridenour, Staff Librarian, ~~~~~~~~~~~~ <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> National Aquarium in Baltimore 501 E. Pratt St. Baltimore, MD 21202-3194 (410)-659-4257 http:// www.aqua.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************ Return-path: <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:34:32 -0400 From: Jeanette Hoskinson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help At 06:43 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >If you have or know about slide library catalogs, we need your help. > >1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general >library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your >slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? > Yes, our photo collection is integrated with the general library catalog. I would caution you, however, that some patrons will not appreciate seeing 200 slide records come up when they search for a book. It is wise to use some universal term, field, etc. that can be used as an exclusionary device if a person does not wish to view images in their search result. Few people objected, but those few were very vocal. >2) n\a >3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or >WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of >slides with traditional book material? > Sirsi is our vendor, and with the above caveat (see 1) customers were very very very happy with the results. >4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? > We have a digitized image for each new record since 1996, and are working our way into the older images. >5) n\a >6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog >record? In other words, are you using: > a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? > b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on >the Dublin Core (http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? > c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft >(http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? > d) fields defined locally by you? X> e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? >Our images are original photos rather than art/architecture slides, so we use MARC records with a combination of LC and a local thesaurus for subject cataloging. > >7) Not available. >Any and all responses to the above questions and other comments beyond >these are very much appreciated! > It is a good idea to spend some time formulating how the url's for your images will be maintained, whatever server they are on. Since time will most likely cause you to change servers down the road, persistent url's are important unless you want to have to change each and every record that has a url in it, every time you change servers. Also, designing appearance of your image url is a good thing to give a lot of thought to. If you develop ponderously long url's, you will have a harder time checking correctness, entering them in your 856's etc. If you already have unique numbers on the images, this can become part of the url, which also helps check correctness of the url. It is also a pain to have to associate yet another unique number with an image. > /\_/\ // <~o o~>_______// ---------------------------------------------------`-^-`--------/--- Jeanette M. Hoskinson <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Photo Archivist MS: 425 or 185 NASA Langley Research Center xt.: 47963 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ************************************ ##END, part 1

----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ARLIS-L, VRA-L, & WebCat-L members, [Hope you'll forgive the cross post!] Below is the long version, part 1, of the first 7 of the 14 responses to our July 29th request for help and questionnaire (included in some of the responses below) on placing approximately 60,000 slide catalog records and images in a Public Access Catalog available over the Internet. I'll post a long verion, part 2, responses 8-14 in a separate message to help keep this message size down. A short, summary version was posted earlier to the lists. Thank you, thank you, thank you to the respondents below! It's very helpful. As a result of your responses, it looks to me like our library-educational technology center slide collection committee will probably recommend that we integrate our slide catalog records into our Innovative WebPAC, use the VRA core as metadata standard, map VRA core data into MARC, and link a digital image of each slide using an 856 tag with the image's URL. Thanks again, Michael Robertson, http://www.rit.edu/~marwml Wallace Library, Rochester Institute of Technology, http://wally.rit.edu/ *********************************** Respondents 1-7 of 14: 1) Judy Winkler <[log in to unmask]>, Architecture Slide Library, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, USA 2) Paul Sutherland <[log in to unmask]>, Information Technology Librarian Canterbury Public Library, Aotearoa, New Zealand 3) Suzanne Ogden-Roberts <[log in to unmask]>, New York State College of Ceramics at Alfred University, Alfred, New York, USA 4) Timothy E. Thompson <[log in to unmask]>, Librarian, Syracuse University Florence, Italy 5) Jacqueline Tygart <[log in to unmask]>, Art & Architecture Librarian, Drury College, Springfield, Missouri, USA 6) Susi Ridenour, Staff Librarian, National Aquarium, Baltimore, MD, USA 7) Jeanette Hoskinson <[log in to unmask]>, Photo Archivist, NASA Langley Research Center, USA ************************************ Responses 1-7 (part 1): [responses 8-14 are in a "LONG version, part 2" mail message] ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:10:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Judy Winkler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help To: Michael Robertson <[log in to unmask]> Hi Michael, We are an Innovative library here at UNL. We have a slide library that is part of the Architecture library and we have about 50,000 slides. We catalog our slides on OCLC in collection level records (grouping them by architect and project) We then export our records into our Innovative system called IRIS. Our slides are fully integrated with other cataloged materials and our patrons love it -- they can do all their search in one place without having to access a second system. Keyword searching and limiting capabilities help them find slides easily. We recently did a pilot project and digitized slides and linked them to records using the 856 URL field. You can check out the record (our catalog can be found at http://iris.unl.edu) but the images are only available locally right now -- keep trying though, they are supposed to go up for everyone soon. The records that have images attached are: Carnegie libraries in Nebraska <title search> Carnegie libraries in Iowa Clicking on the URL will take the user to a screen of thumbprints with all the images, then you can click on each thumbnail to go to a full screen image. Try in a few weeks, they should be up by then. This pilot is the model for future endeavors but at this point in time we have no intention of putting all our images on the WWW -- too many copyright issues. We will be putting select projects up from time to time. There are many other slide records available in our OPAC however, try a search for author I.M. Pei or Charles Moore and see how many slide records you can find! (hint -- we put the titles of slides from copy photography in brackets) We are really proud of our cataloging. Our records are really good - excuse the bragging. The problem with cataloging on OCLC and integrating the records in our OPAC is that it is very labor/time intensive to do perfect records -- the authority work especially takes some time. But we feel the end product is worth it. Only part of our collection is in the OPAC - we used to catalog one slide per record in Inmagic. My main job right now is retoconverting all those old records and recataloging them in OCLC. I would be happy to answer any other questions you may have about our system here. Good luck with your planning. Judy Winkler "Sum ergo edo" Architecture Slide Library University of Nebraska-Lincoln ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:23:24 +1200 From: "Paul Sutherland <http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/>" <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: WEBCAT-L Digest - 28 Jul 1997 to 29 Jul 1997 To: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Would love to see your results... (I am trying to persuade our heritage people to consider digitising our collection and move it out of Hypercard(!) to our DRA System... Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Sutherland <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Information Technology Librarian Canterbury Public Library Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.ccc.govt.nz/Library/ ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Suzanne Ogden-Roberts <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help Sender: Visual Resources Association <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> In response to Michael Robertson's inquiry concerning online catalog of slides: ------------------------------------------- 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? -separate online catalog that is not integrated with general library catalog 2) If you do keep a separate online slide catalog, what database system are you using? EmbARK, Informix Illustra, Oracle MediaServer, Microsoft Access, FileMaker Pro, OCLC SiteSearch/WebZ or another Z39.50 database server, a locally-created system? -Use Fourth Dimension and have been experimenting with Kodak Shoebox images database software. However Shoebox seems to have its limitations. 3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of slides with traditional book material? N/A 4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? -this is possible in Shoebox however I am not satisfied with the software capabilities. 5) Have you looked at using or are you using a Z39.50 compliant server for your slide catalog? If yes, which one? -No. 6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog record? In other words, are you using: a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on the Dublin Core (http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft (http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? d) fields defined locally by you? e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? -d. Custom made database 7) May we look at your site on the Internet? -do not have slide collection on the Internet I hope this was helpful and yes I would like to see your other responses to the about questions. Thank you. Suzanne Ogden-Roberts NYS College of Ceramics at Alfred University Alfred, NY 14802 <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:20:00 +0200 From: "Timothy E. Thompson" <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library WebPAC help To: Michael Robertson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide collection into your general >>>library WebPAC, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your >>> slide library that is not integrated with your general library WebPAC? It's separate. We run CASPR's LibraryWorks for the MacOS and now they've come out with a new product, called LibraryNet, which works with your existing library. LibraryNet is basically a WebSTAR plugin that allows your pre-existing LibraryWorks library to be web-accessible. Since I want to mount both our regular library and our digital library on the same PowerMac 8100 server, I have to run two copies of WebSTAR, each on a different port number. >>>3) If you've integrated it into your library's online WebPAC, who is >>>your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of slides with >>>traditional book material? CASPR didn't necessarily intend their LibraryNet to be used with digital images, but I figured out how to do it on my own and it works pretty well. We haven't yet tested the slide library out on our users (undergraduate study-abroad students)but I think they will appreciate being able to study these images, especially since some of the images are only shown once in class and aren't easily locatable in texts. BTW, we are ensuring that these images will only be viewable by our students over our Intranet in order to satisfy the CONFU guidelines for fair use. >>>4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? Yes, we have a thumbnail of the image right in the record, so the patron can immediately see the image. To see the entire, full resolution image, one simply clicks on the thumbnail. Actually, it's not really a thumbnail (i.e. a separate, low-resolution GIF), but the actual full-resolution image forced to fit into a size we specify, using HTML, like this: <A HREF="image"><IMG SRC="image" HEIGHT=200 WIDTH=100></A>. Doing it this way, using the HEIGHT and WIDTH variables, allows us to control the size and shape of the thumbnail, so if, for instance, the image is wide rather than tall, we switch the values to: HEIGHT=100 WIDTH=200. This also saves on disk space since you don't need to have extra low-res GIF's of the same image. >>>6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide >>> catalog record? In other words, are you using: >> >>> d) fields defined locally by you? Slide#, Artist, Title, Date, Location, City, Country, Provenance, Medium, Dimensions, Period, Notes, Instructor, Image (this is where the <A HREF="Image.jpg"> tag goes), Copyright Info. >>>7) May we look at your site on the Internet? Sorry, no, it's on a protected Intranet. ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:29:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jacqueline Tygart <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help To: Michael Robertson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Michael, YES there is interest. Please summarize for this list. My answers are below, though we're still in the development stage, and after seeing the results of your research, I might be tempted to change my mind. Jacqueline Tygart, Art & Architecture Librarian, Drury College On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Michael Robertson wrote: > > 1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general > library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your > slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? SEPARATE (AND FAR FROM EQUAL) > 2) If you do keep a separate online slide catalog, what database system > are you using? EmbARK, Informix Illustra, Oracle MediaServer, Microsoft > Access, FileMaker Pro, OCLC SiteSearch/WebZ or another Z39.50 database > server, a locally-created system? IN THE PROCESS OF MIGRATING FROM AN OLD DOS BASED FLAT FILE TO FILEMAKER PRO 3.0, WHICH WE HOPE TO MAKE ACCESSIBLE THROUGH OUR LIBRARY WEB PAGE. (CURRENTLY OUR LIB. PAC IS NOT WEB...IS DYNIX...AND WE'RE GETTING LESS AND LESS FOND OF IT.) > 3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or > WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of > slides with traditional book material? > > 4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? WE HOPE TO IN THE FUTURE. OUR ENTIRE SLIDE COLLECTION IS ONLY 45,000 NOW...LESS THAN YOUR PROJECT. I WILL BE INTERESTED IN WHAT KIND OF STORAGE/SERVER CAPACITY IT TAKES YOU FOR 60,000 IMAGES. > 5) Have you looked at using or are you using a Z39.50 compliant server > for your slide catalog? > If yes, which one? > > 6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog > record? In other words, are you using: > a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? > b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on > the Dublin Core >(http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? > c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft > (http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? > d) fields defined locally by you? > e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? FIELDS DEFINED LOCALLY BACK IN 1989. I'M LOOKING AT THE VRA CORE TO SEE WHAT FIELDS TO ADD AND WHAT TO SUBTRACT. > 7) May we look at your site on the Internet? PROBABLY NOT ANYTIME TOO SOON :( ************************************ Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:49:42 -0400 From: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Subject: RE: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC' To: <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Michael- We, here, at the National Aquarium in Baltimore are just beginning to deal with issues similar to those you mentioned. Although our numbers may be smaller than the 30,000 slides you mentioned (ca. 10,000 slides) the collection is far too scattered and needs organization. We are also committed to getting an on-line public access catalog to cover our on-site reference collection (ca. 2,000 texts, with numerous additional "satellite" collections. I am the sole librarian, and so, am seeking a solution which will maximize my efforts in both the slides and text categories. I won't have time to do labels and scanning and Digitization is a must for archival/preservation purposes. An on-line system is necessary to accommodate our staff who are located in any of four different buildings. I have spoken with Willoughby Associates in Illinois (312-645-5500) whose specialty is museum automation. They are able to serve as a contractor to handle steps from digitization through data-entry. (Also try their webpage: www.willoughby.com) One of the companies Willoughby uses for digitization is LUNA Imaging, of Venice, CALIF. -- I understand LUNA is also excellent-- you may try contacting them as well. A phone number is: (310)-452- 8370. Now, for the OPACs and Library automation: I am currently looking at: EOS International /Carlsbad, CALIF. (1-800-876-5484) www.eosintl.com ILS International Library Systems / B.C., CANADA (604)-278-6716 www.ils.com and INMAGIC / Woburn, MASS. (617)-938-4442 www.inmagic.com Cuadra Associates, / Los Angeles 1-800-366-1390 also has a fine system, which seems to handle images very well (only it is not yet compatible with our networking environment -- too bad.) You might want to give them a try as well. Since our Exhibits and Design as well as Publications staff carry such demanding standards for the quality of photographic images, I will have to keep the original slides for our graphic artists' exclusive use. In that case, we might not need to get two separate systems, but rather, just one which handles our text works well, and which does a good (not necessarily stellar) job with images.... I'm still looking at this problem, as you are, too. I'd appreciate whatever you find out, (if it's not posted to the entire VRA list). I'll likewise keep you posted on our findings. Many thanks, and Best of Luck in your search! Susi Ridenour, Staff Librarian, ~~~~~~~~~~~~ <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> National Aquarium in Baltimore 501 E. Pratt St. Baltimore, MD 21202-3194 (410)-659-4257 http:// www.aqua.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************ Return-path: <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:34:32 -0400 From: Jeanette Hoskinson <<a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a>> Subject: Re: Slide library PAC's & Library PAC's help At 06:43 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote: >If you have or know about slide library catalogs, we need your help. > >1) Are you cataloging/integrating your slide library into your general >library book catalog, or are you keeping a separate online catalog of your >slide library that is not integrated with your general library catalog? > Yes, our photo collection is integrated with the general library catalog. I would caution you, however, that some patrons will not appreciate seeing 200 slide records come up when they search for a book. It is wise to use some universal term, field, etc. that can be used as an exclusionary device if a person does not wish to view images in their search result. Few people objected, but those few were very vocal. >2) n\a >3) If you've integrated it into your library's online catalog and/or >WebPAC, who is your vendor and are your users happy with the integration of >slides with traditional book material? > Sirsi is our vendor, and with the above caveat (see 1) customers were very very very happy with the results. >4) Do you have a digitized image linked to each slide catalog record? > We have a digitized image for each new record since 1996, and are working our way into the older images. >5) n\a >6) What catalog (or metadata) fields have you used for your slide catalog >record? In other words, are you using: > a) the VRA core categories draft, http://www.oberlin.edu/~art/vra/core.html? > b) the CNI/OCLC Workshop on Metadata for Networked Images fields based on >the Dublin Core (http://www.oclc.org:5046/conferences/imagemeta/index.html)? > c) the MESL Data Dictionary v.1.0, 2d draft >(http://www.gii.getty.edu/mesl/about/docs/datadict.html)? > d) fields defined locally by you? X> e) fields mapped to the MARC record you adapted locally for slides? >Our images are original photos rather than art/architecture slides, so we use MARC records with a combination of LC and a local thesaurus for subject cataloging. > >7) Not available. >Any and all responses to the above questions and other comments beyond >these are very much appreciated! > It is a good idea to spend some time formulating how the url's for your images will be maintained, whatever server they are on. Since time will most likely cause you to change servers down the road, persistent url's are important unless you want to have to change each and every record that has a url in it, every time you change servers. Also, designing appearance of your image url is a good thing to give a lot of thought to. If you develop ponderously long url's, you will have a harder time checking correctness, entering them in your 856's etc. If you already have unique numbers on the images, this can become part of the url, which also helps check correctness of the url. It is also a pain to have to associate yet another unique number with an image. > /\_/\ // <~o o~>_______// ---------------------------------------------------`-^-`--------/--- Jeanette M. Hoskinson <a href="/scripts/wa.exe?LOGON=A3%3Dind9708%26L%3DARLIS-L%26E%3D7BIT%26P%3D320016%26B%3D--%26T%3Dtext%252FplainTEXT%252FPLAIN%3B%2520charset%3DUS-ASCII%26pending%3D" target="_parent" >[log in to unmask]</a> Photo Archivist MS: 425 or 185 NASA Langley Research Center xt.: 47963 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ************************************ ##END, part 1