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Error - unable to initiate communication with LISTSERV (errno=10061, phase=CONNECT, target=127.0.0.1:2306). The server is probably not started. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- I've got a tough reference question here from a rare violin restorer. It might be out of the ballpark for ARLIS, but I thought I'd try anyway. I'm looking for the LATIN translation of the quote "In life I was silent, in death I sing" which was often painted or carved in the ribs of violins (these are *inside* the violin and actually look like ribs.) Have no author to attribute it to---was possibly an old saying. Any help you can provide will be appreciated. judy donovan moore college of art and design [log in to unmask]