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Great idea, but remember that 2/3 of college librarians do not have faculty status or rank. A number of years ago several librarians at my institution did a survey of about 120 small colleges to see where the librarians fell in the hierarchy--admin, faculty or some hybrid. It was a pretty even spread, but showed once again how confusing the 'status' of college librarians is. I'd love to be a part of this meeting... Anne Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2014, at 4:50 PM, "Patricia Kosco Cossard" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: One step that ARLIS could take as a game changer would be to petition the AAUP to include faculty librarians. We could also petition ACRL, ARL, IRL, the Oberlin Group, etc. to join us in this… Can a group of us get together for lunch, drinks or dinner to discuss at Annual in DC? Thanks, Patti -- Patricia Kosco Cossard, M.A., M.L.S. Research Commons Librarian Rm 4118 McKeldin Library University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 P 301-405-6316 From: Eric Kidwell <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: Eric Kidwell <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Friday, April 4, 2014 3:45 PM To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] Library Salaries RE: Pew Research Chart Afternoon: I've long believed that one reason salaries in our field haven't improved as they have in other traditionally female dominated professionals like nursing and teaching (K-12) is that we still suffer from the attitude that anyone with a little training can do the work of a librarian. Grudgingly or not, it is recognized that you can't just drop anyone into the role of a nurse or a K-12 teacher. Also in the the teaching profession, even though some of the strength has been lessened over the last few years, you still have fairly effective unions. I work at a private college were salaries overall are generally going to be lower that those that could be earned at public institutions. But even though we're tenure-track faculty with professorial rank, we aren't included with our classroom colleagues when salaries are reviewed and compared within the ranks. Why? There are several reasons, some internal (I suspect) and some external. Of the latter, you have the AAUP which excludes librarians from its annual survey of faculty salaries, even if librarians are full members of an institution's faculty. CUPA-HR has a salary survey separate from faculty for librarians (librarians are included in the "Academic Affairs" survey). So at least in higher education, even if as a librarian you are a tenure-track faculty member, in many ways you still aren't "really" faculty. This allows an institution, if it so wishes, to treat librarians as faculty when it benefits the institution and as administrative personnel when it benefits the institution. Eric On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Anne Haas <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Very interesting…and no surprise. I remember a conversation years ago with some Canadian colleagues, and perhaps I am misremembering--(is that a word?!) but they seem to do a lot better…? They certainly have more generous leave policies, as well as more opportunities to have sabbaticals—certainly some have that in the US but not too many. For years I have wondered how this field which is a hub of the information seeking technological world has been so left behind in the salary issue. ALA is one way to address it-but not the only way. A more transparent discussion of the facts, might help(for many who are parents with just one income, the salaries hover around the poverty level) . If the ALA endorsed $41,680 6 years ago as a starting salary, I would think most academic institutions should be seriously embarrassed by their failure to compensate librarians in a professional way. Public school librarians in this area, whose salaries are public record, with a MA and 30 more hours of coursework, are paid salaries that are, by number of days worked, over 20K more than their counterparts in college libraries. We recently lost some academic leave which had been part of our overall compensation, but no financial compensation for that loss was even offered. Who might read this? But that last is a fact, not an opinion. I say 'Hear, Hear' to a discussion. It has perhaps been true for too long that librarians just took what was offered….Perhaps the mantle will be carried by our new young members… Anne From: <Lane>, Elizabeth <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Reply-To: "Lane, Elizabeth" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Date: Friday, April 4, 2014 1:33 PM To: ARLIS <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: [ARLIS-L] Library Salaries RE: Pew Research Chart Ms. Gates, Thank you for sharing. The income disparity we are facing as a profession is sobering and problematic, especially when we consider the academic cost we shouldered to get into our positions. I cannot help but recall the outrage felt within the Art History world when President Obama stated<http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/19/art-history-professor-receives-handwritten-apology-from-obama/>, "You folks can make a lot more, potentially, with skilled manufacturing or the trades than they might with an art history degree." As a profession I hope that we can better translate our value at every opportunity possible… starting with unpaid internships and salary negotiation. I also hope that we can do more as a professional organization to achieve this goal and vocalize our wishes for all of those we work with to be better compensated. Perhaps we could put together salary recommendations, such as those provided by ALA? Please see the link below and note that it dates to 2008. I think we all need to be more honest about the inadequate salaries many of us live on. If we had sophisticated documentation to present to the salary decision makers, we could have a better foundation to work from. Minimum Salaries by State http://ala-apa.org/improving-salariesstatus/resources/minimum-salaries-by-state/ At ALA’s Annual Conference 2008, the ALA-Allied Professional Association: the Organization for the Advancement of Library Employees (ALA-APA) Council adopted a resolution to endorse a minimum salary for professional librarians of not less than $41,680 per year. I would love to be a change agent on this front. Let me know if you are interested. Sincerely, Elizabeth Lane Associate Librarian for Public Services Frick Art Reference Library The Frick Collection 10 East 71st Street New York, NY 10021 212.547.0638<tel:212.547.0638> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Leigh Gates Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 9:23 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: [ARLIS-L] Pew Research Chart The Pew Research Center has published a rather sobering chart for us librarians: Chart of the Week: Do firefighters or musicians have richer parents? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/21/chart-of-the-week-do-firefighters-or-musicians-have-richer-parents/ Check out where Archivists, Curators and Librarians fall! Leigh Gates Director of Library Services Harrington College of Design 200 W. 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