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Thank you for bringing up SFMOMA’s Rauschenberg Research Project, Annie. At SFMOMA we have been having internal discussions about how best to promote this rich resource so this thread is of great interest to us and I welcome suggestions from any ARLIS members. I can verify that we have made a long term commitment to hosting the entire current contents, keeping the site updated (e.g. adding new bibliographical citations), and maintaining stable URLs. Additionally, here is a link to our Worldcat record for the project if anyone who would like to download it for their ILS: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/859539660

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From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Annie Sollinger
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 1:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] e-only Catalogues Raisonnes

I think it's also worth mentioning the Getty Online Scholarly Catalog initiative, which deals more with collection or exhibition catalogs, but still may be relevant: http://www.getty.edu/foundation/initiatives/current/osci/index.html

Getty grants funded SFMOMA's Rauschenberg Research Project, which has a user guide for forming citations, at least.

That doesn't help with questions of collecting or cataloging, but perhaps indicates that the URLs and content are going to be stable enough for users to take seriously.

Annie

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Annie Sollinger

Digital Image Metadata Librarian

Image Collection Library

UMass Amherst

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Emily Atwater <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello,

I would agree that the Frick is a good place to contact. Also, the Catalogues Raisonnes Scholar's Association has started to tackle this issue. They come from the researcher's perspective as opposed to the Librarian's, however a couple years ago they hosted a "mini-conference" on electronic catalogues raisonnes featuring some library and publishing representatives. The program for that event is available online and it may be worth reaching out to some of the speakers or the association: http://www.catalogueraisonne.org/CRSAminicon2011program.pdf

Online CRs that are deemed authoritative (which is itself difficult to determine unless the artist or artist's estate is directly involved) often have to be dealt with on a case by case basis as there is no one-size-fits all format or delivery method. Many are websites or online databases, sometimes with login credentials required, which obviously presents challenges when cataloging for library access.

Long story short, without standardized procedures for the creation, maintenance, and cataloging of these resources, it's tricky...

Best,

Emily (Brooklyn Museum Library)

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Bill Cole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Exclusively online catalogues raisonnés are, in my opinion, huge
lawsuits waiting to happen.

For prints, maybe; for drawings or paintings, forget it.

Unlike bibliographies, catalogues raisonnés are not merely convenient
repositories of information: including a work in a catalogue raisonné
unequivocally declares it to be authentic.

I realize that many works featured in traditional (i.e., printed)
catalogues raisonnés have, over the years, been shown to be fakes--people
will always be human, after all. And in those cases the reputation of the
compiler (and thus of his/her scholarship) is diminished. So there is a
clear incentive to get it right the first time.

What do you think will happen when a rich Wall Streeter buys a $5
million painting, relying on a catalogue raisonné entry on the Podunk
University website--and then three years later finds that the entry has been
deleted?

I don't know the answer to this question, but I sure wouldn't want to be
one of Podunk U.'s lawyers.

Best

Bill Cole
Cole & Contreras Books / Sylvan Cole Gallery

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>>> Hi folks,
>>> we here at NYU are starting to think about how to deal with e-only
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>>> raisonnes. Has anyone out there come up with a plan for how to collect,
>>> catalog, and disseminate these resources? If so, please share.
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>>> thanks so much,
>>> Amy
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