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If such books are cataloged as artists books, would this issue be noted in 1.2 Edition area?

Or, via the ARLIS UK & Ireland Artists' books: a cataloguers' manual --
"Treat facsimiles, photocopies and other reproductions as artists' books. Give details of the original in a note." (500 area)

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From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam Lauder
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:29 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] digital journal, blog or tumblr as book

Sorry, David, I seem to have touched a nerve.  It was never my intention to
call into question your first-hand knowledge of Dexter Sinister and their
process.  Can you kindly provide the forum with further clarification or
details, so that we can have a better idea of what sort of materials we're
being asked to evaluate?  This question is also relevant to me in my work,
and I'm curious to hear what others have to suggest.  I see that another forum
member suggested the same term = Print on demand books.  Just to be clear, are
you saying that "Print-on-demand" would not be a useful addition to the
vocabulary for these, or at least similar, materials (it's not exactly clear to
me what you're trying to define with this loose collection of items in the first
place, or why we would assume that they can all be described by a single term)?
Or are you saying that terms like Reprints don't apply?  Finally, in some cases,
might we not be dealing with just plain old "Books" or "Artist's books" -- where
the content is perhaps reprinted, from say a blog, but the format is in fact a
traditional monograph that may have gone through a conventional press (perhaps
some inforation about the original carrier could be included in notes or
keywords)?  Please clarify your interpretation.

Best,


Adam

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Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>:

> Hi Adam,
> Not to quibble in this forum - but I commissioned and edited an earlier
> edition of this Dexter Sinister publication that i linked to below (spent a
> long afternoon collating the signatures by hand) so I'm positive on the
> format and also the bibliographic details of the others. I just desire some
> suggestions on a vocabulary that might collocate these items in our
> catalog. Seems relevant to myself, curators and other researchers in
> contemporary art and publishing. Happy to discuss Dexter Sinister's
> publishing process off-list. email me. best, David
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Adam Lauder <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Hi David,
> >
> > I'm fairly certain that some of those titles do indeed utilize
> > print-on-demand
> > technology (at least the ones related to Dexter Sinister) and would be
> > characterzied as such by the author / artists were they to give a format
> > description of their publication(s) (I recently heard them describe the
> > work
> > that way during a public talk) . . .the third title, printed from an
> > e-journal,
> > may or may not be a print-on-demand product, so you may need another term
> > there
> > -- wouldn't something like "compilation" or (digital?) "anthology" make
> > sense .
> > . .or maybe it's just a re-print?  (Is it important to note that it's a
> > reprint
> > of a digital object?)  In any event, "print-on-demand" is by no means
> > equivalent to self-publishing or a vanity press -- it's a format and a
> > technology and one increasignly used by publishers, including art museums
> > (a
> > number of public art galleries in Canada have recently switch to
> > e-publishing
> > platforms, most of them "print-on-demand") . . .I assume that there may be
> > important distinctions between an e-book, which may or may not be
> > downloadable,
> > and a true print-on-demand product, that is actually published as a
> > physical
> > object by the print-on-demand provider following purchase by the user and
> > / or
> > auhtor / press . . .in sopme cases it could be hard to tell--if you just
> > have a
> > physical copy siting in your hands--whether you are dealing with a
> > print-on-demand product or not, since it may look exactly like a
> > traditional
> > print monograph.
> >
> > best
> >
> >
> > AL
> >
> > --
> > Adam Lauder
> > W.P. Scott Chair for Research in E-Librarianship
> > Rm. 105E Scott Library
> > York University
> > 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M3J-1P3
> > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > Phone: 416-736-2100 x55974
> > IAINBAXTER&raisonnE:
> > http://archives.library.yorku.ca/iain_baxterand_raisonne/
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > > Thanks Sherman, et al. Sorry if my description was confusing. To further
> > > refine ---> I am not thinking about print on demand here. A few more
> > > examples :
> > >
> > > this publication was released by Sternberg Press from PDF's first
> > > accumulated on the artists' Dexter Sinister's website.
> > >
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b918112~S8<
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b918112%7ES8>
> > >
> > > This is a publication reissues in total all the press releases
> > distributed
> > > electronically by e-flux.
> > >
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b623739~S8<
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b623739%7ES8>
> > >
> > > Similarly, this is a reader by Sternberg Press that published articles
> > > featured in e-flux's electronic journal.
> > >
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b933055~S8<
> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b933055%7ES8>
> > >
> > > or this artist's book by Nick Atkins is a reconstituted version of this
> > > video diary blog - http://tvtvchannel.com/   =
> > > http://catalog.andpress.com/product/tvtv-1-52
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Samuel Duncan <
> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  We're using the following heading to collocate our growing collection
> > of
> > > > print-on-demand titles from blurb, lulu, et al., though it's not quite
> > the
> > > > animal that David describes:****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > 655 b4 Print-on-demand books.****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > Search CDLC catalog for print-on-demand
> > >
> > titles.<
> >
>
http://libweb.lib.tcu.edu/F?func=find-b&local_base=mus01&find_code=WSU&request=%22print+on+demand%22
> > >
> > > > ****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > Sam****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > *Samuel Duncan*
> > > >
> > > > Library Director****
> > > >
> > > > Amon Carter Museum of American Art****
> > > >
> > > > 3501 Camp Bowie Blvd., Fort Worth, TX 76107****
> > > >
> > > > t. 817.989.5042  f. 817.989.5039****
> > > >
> > > > www.cartermuseum.org****
> > > >
> > > > * *
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > *From:* ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of
> > > *Sherman
> > > > Clarke
> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:38 PM
> > > > *To:* [log in to unmask]
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [ARLIS-L] digital journal, blog or tumblr as book****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > David,
> > > > I've also been chasing around, thinking about a genre term for blurb-
> > and
> > > > lulu-produced books, some of which are reconstituted web content.
> > They're
> > > > not quite the same as some of the LCSH terms, e.g., Self-publishing,
> > > > Privately printed books, Vanity presses. The subject authority record
> > for
> > > > Blogs has a related-term reference from Citizen journalism. The latter
> > term
> > > > has a historical sound but it's a new record.
> > > >
> > > > This Triple Canopy title caught my eye and my copy is in the mail.
> > Maybe
> > > > after we've read *Invalid format*, we'll have a tighter idea of the
> > genre.
> > > >
> > > > Let us know if you come up with a genre term that will allow us to
> > > > collocate such resources in our catalogs.
> > > >
> > > > Sherman Clarke
> > > > freelance art librarian
> > > > Alfred, NY****
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Senior, David <[log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > > wrote:****
> > > >
> > > > I've come across several examples of re-iterations of web content into
> > > > something that approaches an artist's publication or a little design
> > book -
> > > > from tumblrs, blogs, electronic journals and into books. Seems like an
> > > > interesting movement - back and forth between these different media -
> > and
> > > > seizing on design aspects of each format. Recently met with the
> > editors of
> > > > Triple Canopy - they presented me with this book that is described
> > below.
> > > > It's a manifestation of this genre of re-formatting journal content and
> > > > also an extended discussion of this kind of activity.
> > > >
> > > > one of the more humorous entries into the field is here -
> > > > http://www.isitartorfart.com/
> > > > this blog published a book last year with the same title. It is a
> > > > collection of photography, collected or taken by the bloggers, that
> > record
> > > > "coincidental moments in everyday life that, when isolated and named by
> > > > artist, bear uncanny resemblance to art seen in museums and galleries
> > > > around the globe."
> > > >
> > > > genre term, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David Senior
> > > > Bibliographer
> > > > Museum of Modern Art Library
> > > > 11 W. 53rd St.
> > > > New York, NY 10019****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, Volume 1
> > > > *Perfect-bound, 336 pp, 6 x 9 in.
> > > > Black and white, gatefold cover
> > > > ISBN 978-0-9847346-0-3 ****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > $25 available online here:****
> > > >
> > > > http://canopycanopycanopy.com/Support#artwork****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > Triple Canopy <http://canopycanopycanopy.com/> is pleased to announce
> > the
> > > > publication of *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, Volume
> > 1*.
> > > > The book, designed in collaboration with Project Projects, is at once
> > an
> > > > archive of Triple Canopy's widespread publishing activities and a
> > > > translation into print of projects that originally appeared in other
> > forms.
> > > > This inaugural volume of Invalid Format includes artist projects and
> > > > literary work published in the first year of Triple Canopy's existence,
> > > > documentation of public programs, and a sampling of foundational
> > > > correspondence. In form and content, the book explores how works
> > produced
> > > > for the screen might fully inhabit the page. Consider *Invalid Format*
> > a
> > > > new design for reading, the book as content-management system.****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > Contributors include Lene Berg, Joseph Clarke, Rivka Galchen, Adam
> > Helms,
> > > > Sheila Heti, Dan Hoy, the International Necronautical Society, Craig
> > > > Kalpakjian, Jon Kessler, Wayne Koestenbaum, Rachel Mason, Amir
> > Mogharabi,
> > > > Rachel Owens, Ed Park & Rachel Aviv, the Poetic Research Bureau, John
> > > > Powers, Emily Richardson & Iain Sinclair, Michael Robinson, and Diane
> > > > Williams.****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
> > > >
> > > > *About Triple Canopy*****
> > > >
> > > > Triple Canopy is an online magazine, workspace, and platform for
> > editorial
> > > > and curatorial activities. Working collaboratively with writers,
> > artists,
> > > > and researchers, Triple Canopy facilitates projects that engage the
> > > > Internet's specific characteristics as a public forum and as a medium,
> > one
> > > > with its own evolving practices of reading and viewing, economies of
> > > > attention, and modes of interaction. In doing so, Triple Canopy is
> > charting
> > > > an expanded field of publication, drawing on the history of print
> > culture
> > > > while acting as a hub for the exploration of emerging forms and the
> > public
> > > > spaces constituted around them. Triple Canopy is a nonprofit 501(c)3
> > > > organization.****
> > > >
> > > > ** **
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