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Hi Adam, list, No nerve touched - really sorry if my note gave that sense! Just trying to refine my question as to what I was looking for. I probably haven't made a very clear presentation here, so my apologies also about that. Thanks for your responses - appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. All are very helpful. best, David On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Adam Lauder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Sorry, David, I seem to have touched a nerve. It was never my intention to > call into question your first-hand knowledge of Dexter Sinister and their > process. Can you kindly provide the forum with further clarification or > details, so that we can have a better idea of what sort of materials we're > being asked to evaluate? This question is also relevant to me in my work, > and I'm curious to hear what others have to suggest. I see that another forum > member suggested the same term = Print on demand books. Just to be clear, are > you saying that "Print-on-demand" would not be a useful addition to the > vocabulary for these, or at least similar, materials (it's not exactly clear to > me what you're trying to define with this loose collection of items in the first > place, or why we would assume that they can all be described by a single term)? > Or are you saying that terms like Reprints don't apply? Finally, in some cases, > might we not be dealing with just plain old "Books" or "Artist's books" -- where > the content is perhaps reprinted, from say a blog, but the format is in fact a > traditional monograph that may have gone through a conventional press (perhaps > some inforation about the original carrier could be included in notes or > keywords)? Please clarify your interpretation. > > Best, > > > Adam > > -- > Adam Lauder > W.P. Scott Chair for Research in E-Librarianship > Rm. 105E Scott Library > York University > 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M3J-1P3 > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > Phone: 416-736-2100 x55974 > IAINBAXTER&raisonnE: http://archives.library.yorku.ca/iain_baxterand_raisonne/ > > > > Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>: > >> Hi Adam, >> Not to quibble in this forum - but I commissioned and edited an earlier >> edition of this Dexter Sinister publication that i linked to below (spent a >> long afternoon collating the signatures by hand) so I'm positive on the >> format and also the bibliographic details of the others. I just desire some >> suggestions on a vocabulary that might collocate these items in our >> catalog. Seems relevant to myself, curators and other researchers in >> contemporary art and publishing. Happy to discuss Dexter Sinister's >> publishing process off-list. email me. best, David >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Adam Lauder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> > Hi David, >> > >> > I'm fairly certain that some of those titles do indeed utilize >> > print-on-demand >> > technology (at least the ones related to Dexter Sinister) and would be >> > characterzied as such by the author / artists were they to give a format >> > description of their publication(s) (I recently heard them describe the >> > work >> > that way during a public talk) . . .the third title, printed from an >> > e-journal, >> > may or may not be a print-on-demand product, so you may need another term >> > there >> > -- wouldn't something like "compilation" or (digital?) "anthology" make >> > sense . >> > . .or maybe it's just a re-print? (Is it important to note that it's a >> > reprint >> > of a digital object?) In any event, "print-on-demand" is by no means >> > equivalent to self-publishing or a vanity press -- it's a format and a >> > technology and one increasignly used by publishers, including art museums >> > (a >> > number of public art galleries in Canada have recently switch to >> > e-publishing >> > platforms, most of them "print-on-demand") . . .I assume that there may be >> > important distinctions between an e-book, which may or may not be >> > downloadable, >> > and a true print-on-demand product, that is actually published as a >> > physical >> > object by the print-on-demand provider following purchase by the user and >> > / or >> > auhtor / press . . .in sopme cases it could be hard to tell--if you just >> > have a >> > physical copy siting in your hands--whether you are dealing with a >> > print-on-demand product or not, since it may look exactly like a >> > traditional >> > print monograph. >> > >> > best >> > >> > >> > AL >> > >> > -- >> > Adam Lauder >> > W.P. Scott Chair for Research in E-Librarianship >> > Rm. 105E Scott Library >> > York University >> > 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M3J-1P3 >> > E-mail: [log in to unmask] >> > Phone: 416-736-2100 x55974 >> > IAINBAXTER&raisonnE: >> > http://archives.library.yorku.ca/iain_baxterand_raisonne/ >> > >> > >> > Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>: >> > >> > > Thanks Sherman, et al. Sorry if my description was confusing. To further >> > > refine ---> I am not thinking about print on demand here. A few more >> > > examples : >> > > >> > > this publication was released by Sternberg Press from PDF's first >> > > accumulated on the artists' Dexter Sinister's website. >> > > >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b918112~S8< >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b918112%7ES8> >> > > >> > > This is a publication reissues in total all the press releases >> > distributed >> > > electronically by e-flux. >> > > >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b623739~S8< >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b623739%7ES8> >> > > >> > > Similarly, this is a reader by Sternberg Press that published articles >> > > featured in e-flux's electronic journal. >> > > >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b933055~S8< >> > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b933055%7ES8> >> > > >> > > or this artist's book by Nick Atkins is a reconstituted version of this >> > > video diary blog - http://tvtvchannel.com/ = >> > > http://catalog.andpress.com/product/tvtv-1-52 >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Samuel Duncan < >> > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > We’re using the following heading to collocate our growing collection >> > of >> > > > print-on-demand titles from blurb, lulu, et al., though it’s not quite >> > the >> > > > animal that David describes:**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > 655 b4 Print-on-demand books.**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > Search CDLC catalog for print-on-demand >> > > >> > titles.< >> > >> > http://libweb.lib.tcu.edu/F?func=find-b&local_base=mus01&find_code=WSU&request=%22print+on+demand%22 >> > > >> > > > **** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > Sam**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > *Samuel Duncan* >> > > > >> > > > Library Director**** >> > > > >> > > > Amon Carter Museum of American Art**** >> > > > >> > > > 3501 Camp Bowie Blvd., Fort Worth, TX 76107**** >> > > > >> > > > t. 817.989.5042 f. 817.989.5039**** >> > > > >> > > > www.cartermuseum.org**** >> > > > >> > > > * * >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > *From:* ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of >> > > *Sherman >> > > > Clarke >> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:38 PM >> > > > *To:* [log in to unmask] >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [ARLIS-L] digital journal, blog or tumblr as book**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > David, >> > > > I've also been chasing around, thinking about a genre term for blurb- >> > and >> > > > lulu-produced books, some of which are reconstituted web content. >> > They're >> > > > not quite the same as some of the LCSH terms, e.g., Self-publishing, >> > > > Privately printed books, Vanity presses. The subject authority record >> > for >> > > > Blogs has a related-term reference from Citizen journalism. The latter >> > term >> > > > has a historical sound but it's a new record. >> > > > >> > > > This Triple Canopy title caught my eye and my copy is in the mail. >> > Maybe >> > > > after we've read *Invalid format*, we'll have a tighter idea of the >> > genre. >> > > > >> > > > Let us know if you come up with a genre term that will allow us to >> > > > collocate such resources in our catalogs. >> > > > >> > > > Sherman Clarke >> > > > freelance art librarian >> > > > Alfred, NY**** >> > > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Senior, David <[log in to unmask] >> > > >> > > > wrote:**** >> > > > >> > > > I've come across several examples of re-iterations of web content into >> > > > something that approaches an artist's publication or a little design >> > book - >> > > > from tumblrs, blogs, electronic journals and into books. Seems like an >> > > > interesting movement - back and forth between these different media - >> > and >> > > > seizing on design aspects of each format. Recently met with the >> > editors of >> > > > Triple Canopy - they presented me with this book that is described >> > below. >> > > > It's a manifestation of this genre of re-formatting journal content and >> > > > also an extended discussion of this kind of activity. >> > > > >> > > > one of the more humorous entries into the field is here - >> > > > http://www.isitartorfart.com/ >> > > > this blog published a book last year with the same title. It is a >> > > > collection of photography, collected or taken by the bloggers, that >> > record >> > > > "coincidental moments in everyday life that, when isolated and named by >> > > > artist, bear uncanny resemblance to art seen in museums and galleries >> > > > around the globe." >> > > > >> > > > genre term, anyone? >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > David Senior >> > > > Bibliographer >> > > > Museum of Modern Art Library >> > > > 11 W. 53rd St. >> > > > New York, NY 10019**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, Volume 1 >> > > > *Perfect-bound, 336 pp, 6 x 9 in. >> > > > Black and white, gatefold cover >> > > > ISBN 978-0-9847346-0-3 **** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > $25 available online here:**** >> > > > >> > > > http://canopycanopycanopy.com/Support#artwork**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > Triple Canopy <http://canopycanopycanopy.com/> is pleased to announce >> > the >> > > > publication of *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, Volume >> > 1*. >> > > > The book, designed in collaboration with Project Projects, is at once >> > an >> > > > archive of Triple Canopy's widespread publishing activities and a >> > > > translation into print of projects that originally appeared in other >> > forms. >> > > > This inaugural volume of Invalid Format includes artist projects and >> > > > literary work published in the first year of Triple Canopy's existence, >> > > > documentation of public programs, and a sampling of foundational >> > > > correspondence. In form and content, the book explores how works >> > produced >> > > > for the screen might fully inhabit the page. Consider *Invalid Format* >> > a >> > > > new design for reading, the book as content-management system.**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > Contributors include Lene Berg, Joseph Clarke, Rivka Galchen, Adam >> > Helms, >> > > > Sheila Heti, Dan Hoy, the International Necronautical Society, Craig >> > > > Kalpakjian, Jon Kessler, Wayne Koestenbaum, Rachel Mason, Amir >> > Mogharabi, >> > > > Rachel Owens, Ed Park & Rachel Aviv, the Poetic Research Bureau, John >> > > > Powers, Emily Richardson & Iain Sinclair, Michael Robinson, and Diane >> > > > Williams.**** >> > > > >> > > > ** ** >> > > > >> > > > *About Triple Canopy***** >> > > > >> > > > Triple Canopy is an online magazine, workspace, and platform for >> > editorial >> > > > and curatorial activities. Working collaboratively with writers, >> > artists, >> > > > and researchers, Triple Canopy facilitates projects that engage the >> > > > Internet’s specific characteristics as a public forum and as a medium, >> > one >> > > > with its own evolving practices of reading and viewing, economies of >> > > > attention, and modes of interaction. In doing so, Triple Canopy is >> > charting >> > > > an expanded field of publication, drawing on the history of print >> > culture >> > > > while acting as a hub for the exploration of emerging forms and the >> > public >> > > > spaces constituted around them. 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