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As far as I can tell, and from my familiarity with Triple Canopy, the original post is not about artist's books. I think cataloging these works as reproductions is flawed and misleading, since the original format is not a book. I would call this type of work "web-to-book". My two cents. Jaye Fishel On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Weber, Elka <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > If such books are cataloged as artists books, would this issue be noted in > 1.2 Edition area? > > Or, via the ARLIS UK & Ireland Artists' books: a cataloguers' manual -- > "Treat facsimiles, photocopies and other reproductions as artists' books. > Give details of the original in a note." (500 area) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Adam > Lauder > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 1:29 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] digital journal, blog or tumblr as book > > Sorry, David, I seem to have touched a nerve. It was never my intention to > call into question your first-hand knowledge of Dexter Sinister and their > process. Can you kindly provide the forum with further clarification or > details, so that we can have a better idea of what sort of materials we're > being asked to evaluate? This question is also relevant to me in my work, > and I'm curious to hear what others have to suggest. I see that another > forum > member suggested the same term = Print on demand books. Just to be clear, > are > you saying that "Print-on-demand" would not be a useful addition to the > vocabulary for these, or at least similar, materials (it's not exactly > clear to > me what you're trying to define with this loose collection of items in the > first > place, or why we would assume that they can all be described by a single > term)? > Or are you saying that terms like Reprints don't apply? Finally, in some > cases, > might we not be dealing with just plain old "Books" or "Artist's books" -- > where > the content is perhaps reprinted, from say a blog, but the format is in > fact a > traditional monograph that may have gone through a conventional press > (perhaps > some inforation about the original carrier could be included in notes or > keywords)? Please clarify your interpretation. > > Best, > > > Adam > > -- > Adam Lauder > W.P. Scott Chair for Research in E-Librarianship > Rm. 105E Scott Library > York University > 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M3J-1P3 > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > Phone: 416-736-2100 x55974 > IAINBAXTER&raisonnE: > http://archives.library.yorku.ca/iain_baxterand_raisonne/ > > > > Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>: > > > Hi Adam, > > Not to quibble in this forum - but I commissioned and edited an earlier > > edition of this Dexter Sinister publication that i linked to below > (spent a > > long afternoon collating the signatures by hand) so I'm positive on the > > format and also the bibliographic details of the others. I just desire > some > > suggestions on a vocabulary that might collocate these items in our > > catalog. Seems relevant to myself, curators and other researchers in > > contemporary art and publishing. Happy to discuss Dexter Sinister's > > publishing process off-list. email me. best, David > > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Adam Lauder <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > Hi David, > > > > > > I'm fairly certain that some of those titles do indeed utilize > > > print-on-demand > > > technology (at least the ones related to Dexter Sinister) and would be > > > characterzied as such by the author / artists were they to give a > format > > > description of their publication(s) (I recently heard them describe the > > > work > > > that way during a public talk) . . .the third title, printed from an > > > e-journal, > > > may or may not be a print-on-demand product, so you may need another > term > > > there > > > -- wouldn't something like "compilation" or (digital?) "anthology" make > > > sense . > > > . .or maybe it's just a re-print? (Is it important to note that it's a > > > reprint > > > of a digital object?) In any event, "print-on-demand" is by no means > > > equivalent to self-publishing or a vanity press -- it's a format and a > > > technology and one increasignly used by publishers, including art > museums > > > (a > > > number of public art galleries in Canada have recently switch to > > > e-publishing > > > platforms, most of them "print-on-demand") . . .I assume that there > may be > > > important distinctions between an e-book, which may or may not be > > > downloadable, > > > and a true print-on-demand product, that is actually published as a > > > physical > > > object by the print-on-demand provider following purchase by the user > and > > > / or > > > auhtor / press . . .in sopme cases it could be hard to tell--if you > just > > > have a > > > physical copy siting in your hands--whether you are dealing with a > > > print-on-demand product or not, since it may look exactly like a > > > traditional > > > print monograph. > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > AL > > > > > > -- > > > Adam Lauder > > > W.P. Scott Chair for Research in E-Librarianship > > > Rm. 105E Scott Library > > > York University > > > 4700 Keele Street, Toronto, Ontario, CANADA, M3J-1P3 > > > E-mail: [log in to unmask] > > > Phone: 416-736-2100 x55974 > > > IAINBAXTER&raisonnE: > > > http://archives.library.yorku.ca/iain_baxterand_raisonne/ > > > > > > > > > Quoting "Senior, David" <[log in to unmask]>: > > > > > > > Thanks Sherman, et al. Sorry if my description was confusing. To > further > > > > refine ---> I am not thinking about print on demand here. A few more > > > > examples : > > > > > > > > this publication was released by Sternberg Press from PDF's first > > > > accumulated on the artists' Dexter Sinister's website. > > > > > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b918112~S8< > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b918112%7ES8> > > > > > > > > This is a publication reissues in total all the press releases > > > distributed > > > > electronically by e-flux. > > > > > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b623739~S8< > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b623739%7ES8> > > > > > > > > Similarly, this is a reader by Sternberg Press that published > articles > > > > featured in e-flux's electronic journal. > > > > > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org:80/record=b933055~S8< > > > http://arcade.nyarc.org/record=b933055%7ES8> > > > > > > > > or this artist's book by Nick Atkins is a reconstituted version of > this > > > > video diary blog - http://tvtvchannel.com/ = > > > > http://catalog.andpress.com/product/tvtv-1-52 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Samuel Duncan < > > > > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > We're using the following heading to collocate our growing > collection > > > of > > > > > print-on-demand titles from blurb, lulu, et al., though it's not > quite > > > the > > > > > animal that David describes:**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > 655 b4 Print-on-demand books.**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Search CDLC catalog for print-on-demand > > > > > > > titles.< > > > > > > > http://libweb.lib.tcu.edu/F?func=find-b&local_base=mus01&find_code=WSU&request=%22print+on+demand%22 > > > > > > > > > **** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Sam**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > *Samuel Duncan* > > > > > > > > > > Library Director**** > > > > > > > > > > Amon Carter Museum of American Art**** > > > > > > > > > > 3501 Camp Bowie Blvd., Fort Worth, TX 76107**** > > > > > > > > > > t. 817.989.5042 f. 817.989.5039**** > > > > > > > > > > www.cartermuseum.org**** > > > > > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > *From:* ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] *On Behalf > Of > > > > *Sherman > > > > > Clarke > > > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:38 PM > > > > > *To:* [log in to unmask] > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [ARLIS-L] digital journal, blog or tumblr as > book**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > David, > > > > > I've also been chasing around, thinking about a genre term for > blurb- > > > and > > > > > lulu-produced books, some of which are reconstituted web content. > > > They're > > > > > not quite the same as some of the LCSH terms, e.g., > Self-publishing, > > > > > Privately printed books, Vanity presses. The subject authority > record > > > for > > > > > Blogs has a related-term reference from Citizen journalism. The > latter > > > term > > > > > has a historical sound but it's a new record. > > > > > > > > > > This Triple Canopy title caught my eye and my copy is in the mail. > > > Maybe > > > > > after we've read *Invalid format*, we'll have a tighter idea of the > > > genre. > > > > > > > > > > Let us know if you come up with a genre term that will allow us to > > > > > collocate such resources in our catalogs. > > > > > > > > > > Sherman Clarke > > > > > freelance art librarian > > > > > Alfred, NY**** > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Senior, David < > [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > > > wrote:**** > > > > > > > > > > I've come across several examples of re-iterations of web content > into > > > > > something that approaches an artist's publication or a little > design > > > book - > > > > > from tumblrs, blogs, electronic journals and into books. Seems > like an > > > > > interesting movement - back and forth between these different > media - > > > and > > > > > seizing on design aspects of each format. Recently met with the > > > editors of > > > > > Triple Canopy - they presented me with this book that is described > > > below. > > > > > It's a manifestation of this genre of re-formatting journal > content and > > > > > also an extended discussion of this kind of activity. > > > > > > > > > > one of the more humorous entries into the field is here - > > > > > http://www.isitartorfart.com/ > > > > > this blog published a book last year with the same title. It is a > > > > > collection of photography, collected or taken by the bloggers, that > > > record > > > > > "coincidental moments in everyday life that, when isolated and > named by > > > > > artist, bear uncanny resemblance to art seen in museums and > galleries > > > > > around the globe." > > > > > > > > > > genre term, anyone? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > David Senior > > > > > Bibliographer > > > > > Museum of Modern Art Library > > > > > 11 W. 53rd St. > > > > > New York, NY 10019**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, Volume 1 > > > > > *Perfect-bound, 336 pp, 6 x 9 in. > > > > > Black and white, gatefold cover > > > > > ISBN 978-0-9847346-0-3 **** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > $25 available online here:**** > > > > > > > > > > http://canopycanopycanopy.com/Support#artwork**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Triple Canopy <http://canopycanopycanopy.com/> is pleased to > announce > > > the > > > > > publication of *Invalid Format: An Anthology of Triple Canopy, > Volume > > > 1*. > > > > > The book, designed in collaboration with Project Projects, is at > once > > > an > > > > > archive of Triple Canopy's widespread publishing activities and a > > > > > translation into print of projects that originally appeared in > other > > > forms. > > > > > This inaugural volume of Invalid Format includes artist projects > and > > > > > literary work published in the first year of Triple Canopy's > existence, > > > > > documentation of public programs, and a sampling of foundational > > > > > correspondence. In form and content, the book explores how works > > > produced > > > > > for the screen might fully inhabit the page. Consider *Invalid > Format* > > > a > > > > > new design for reading, the book as content-management system.**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > Contributors include Lene Berg, Joseph Clarke, Rivka Galchen, Adam > > > Helms, > > > > > Sheila Heti, Dan Hoy, the International Necronautical Society, > Craig > > > > > Kalpakjian, Jon Kessler, Wayne Koestenbaum, Rachel Mason, Amir > > > Mogharabi, > > > > > Rachel Owens, Ed Park & Rachel Aviv, the Poetic Research Bureau, > John > > > > > Powers, Emily Richardson & Iain Sinclair, Michael Robinson, and > Diane > > > > > Williams.**** > > > > > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > > > > > > *About Triple Canopy***** > > > > > > > > > > Triple Canopy is an online magazine, workspace, and platform for > > > editorial > > > > > and curatorial activities. Working collaboratively with writers, > > > artists, > > > > > and researchers, Triple Canopy facilitates projects that engage the > > > > > Internet's specific characteristics as a public forum and as a > medium, > > > one > > > > > with its own evolving practices of reading and viewing, economies > of > > > > > attention, and modes of interaction. In doing so, Triple Canopy is > > > charting > > > > > an expanded field of publication, drawing on the history of print > > > culture > > > > > while acting as a hub for the exploration of emerging forms and the > > > public > > > > > spaces constituted around them. 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