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Jeffrey, I can't answer all of your questions, but I can provide some information about why the cataloging of Festschriften is lacking. Descriptive cataloging rarely adds any information about what an item is, beyond what is expressed in the item itself. This approach goes back before AACR2. So if a festschrift calls itself that, you don't have a problem, because at least you can find it by a keyword search. But that also means if the festschrift is "papers in honor of ..." you're out of luck. Similarly LCSH until recently wasn't much concerned with the form or genre of items so a festschrift would get subject headings for the topic(s) discussed, but no heading or subdivision to indicate that the volume is a festschrift. (See my recent post on catalogues raisonnés.) Next we turn to the miracle of the MARC record, which is not cataloging per se, but a method for encoding cataloging information. When it was developed in those heady days when we thought automation would solve all of our problems it did allow for additional coding to describe what was being cataloged beyond the description (according to AACR) and the subject headings (assigned according to LCSH). Maybe you've seen all those letters and numbers in the 008 field that look like DNA gone astray: 880328s1930 au ac 010 0 ger d That "1" nested between two zeros indicates that the record is for a festschrift. There actually is the opportunity to code for many things that aren't expressed elsewhere in the record, but does it do anyone any good? Not really, because most OPACs weren't developed to make use of the information. But good catalogers have diligently filled in those codes over the years, so it does give us other opportunities. We have used that coding to retrieve records and add a form/genre heading "Festschriften" to all of our cataloging for festschrifts. So if you search Watsonline (http://library.metmuseum.org/) by keyword (or if you want to be picky, by material/document type) you will find records for over 2,300 festschriften. This is probably much more than you wanted to know, but I hope it is helpful. Regards, Daniel ******************************** Daniel Starr Associate Chief Librarian Thomas J. Watson Library The Metropolitan Museum of Art 1000 Fifth Avenue New York, NY 10028 212-650-2582 -----Original Message----- From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Weidman Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:50 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] Catalogues raisonnes -- Chinese artists? An equally frustrating situation I find is the quixotic application, or lack, of "festschrift" to titles that fit that qualification. It may seem, in some fields, that the festschrift is not as prevalent as it once was, though in Egyptology it is still a common publication, but since it once was a staple of art historical research and publishing, shouldn't it be that those who catalogue such titles, and have, presumably, been educated and trained in the historiographies of the fields they catalogue in (I may be naïve here.), should apply this term when cataloging a title that fits? Fortunately, for our field, we have Rave, Lincoln, RILA, and BHA, for example, where festschriften have been indexed, but the cataloging of such titles is still a matter of concern. Jeffrey Jeffrey Weidman, M.A., Ph.D., M.L.S. Senior Librarian, Public Services & Collection Development Spencer Art Reference Library The Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art 4525 Oak Street Kansas City, MO 64111 Direct: 816.751.1215 FAX: 816.751.0498 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] Website: www.nelson-atkins.org -----Original Message----- From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lee Sorensen Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 3:11 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] Catalogues raisonnes -- Chinese artists? Peter, The designation "catalogues raisonnes" in LC is consistently strange. Some of the most obvious catalogues raisonnes, like Wildenstein's 'Claude Monet: biographie et catalogue raisonné' don't get traced as a CR in the LCSH. It makes it tough to teach students to search under that designation when it seems to be used so quixotically. 'Will be interested in other responses. Lee Lee Sorensen Visual Studies Librarian Duke University Libraries -----Original Message----- From: ARLIS/NA List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Blank Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:30 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [ARLIS-L] Catalogues raisonnes -- Chinese artists? Greetings Smart People, Can anyone explain why the LCSH convention of "catalogues raisonnes" does not apply to Chinese artists? In WorldCat, "Catalogues raisonnes" as a subject search, limited by language "Chinese" yields minimal results (19). But the same search, limiting to English, French, or German brings back thousands of hits. What gives? Is there a vernacular term (e.g., Werkverzeichnis) that corresponds and can be used when searching? Many thanks for any insight/tips. Cheers, Peter ----------------------------- Peter P. Blank Head Librarian Art& Architecture Library 102 Cummings Art Bldg. 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