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Dear ARLIS-L,

I promised to compile the e-mails I received about compact shelving and art books (which were very helpful and informative).  I removed everyone's name, but kept their institution name (b/c I thought that was very helpful infomation.)--I hope this is OK.

MY ORGINAL MESSAGE ….Dear Collective Wisdom,
Here at Emory University we are undertaking a multi-year project to convert our Stack tower to Compact Shelving.
Standard shelves can only accommodate a book with a height of 12 1/2 inches (or less) and a length of  9 1/2 inches (or less).  The shelf has a depth of only 9 inches.
If your collection is housed in compact shelving, how have you chosen to deal with oversized books?
Does everything go to the folio shelves?  
I am actually most concerned about depth b/c most art books are longer than 9 inches, and the units will not close properly if the books are much wider.
Kim Collins, art history librarian and collection management subject


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1) Dartmouth
We installed compact shelving in the late 90's when I was there.  We had a large basement room where we installed tall CS and shelved journals and oversize books.  So, you can get non-standard CS.  I'm, however, fuzzy on the details.  Perhaps query Laura Graveline at Dartmouth College, who could tell you of the dimension and brand?  Good luck.
2) DALLAS MUSEUM
We have compact shelves which include one range that is shallower than the others (long story not worth going into).  The shelf height is adjustable, so not an issue, but the depth only accommodates about 9” before intruding on the books on the opposite side, or sticking out over the front edge.  We are able to stop the aisle short of crushing the books (lost about 2” of aisle in the process), but the 12” deep shelves are much more appropriate to the art books and even then, some are too long (but not tall) and have to be shelved spine side down.  We do have closed stacks, so this is all workable for us, but I would highly recommend lobbying for deeper shelves if you can -- or a lot of extra room in the oversize collections area!

3) Glendale Public Library

We have compact shelving in a staff access only area. We are just beginning to reevaluate the storage of our oversized materials in this area. Our compact shelving shelves are 15" high and 12" deep which allows us to keep items that in regular stacks would be "oversized" in compact shelving. We then have a section of the compact shelving shelves for really oversized items up to 36" high, but still only 12" deep (although we do let them hang out a couple of inches and have to be careful not to close that section all the way). Anything that is too deep or too tall we have to keep flat.

4)
Kohler Art Library
We have separate regular and oversize ranges.  The regular size books have regular size compact shelving and the oversize have oversize compact shelving....
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5) YALE

Here, in the YCBA Reference Library, we have two different types of compact shelving. Our 'regular', monograph collex on our main floor is shelved in standard sized compact shelving (9.5/12.5) and the oversized monographs (folio, etc) are shelved in in standard, non-compact shelves. However, upstairs, on our mezzanine, we have a different type of compact shelving which houses our photo archive (in archival boxes), as well as runs of serials and exhibition catalogs. This compact shelving is slightly more industrial in appearance and in size. It is made of metal and has movable shelves that are about 13"dx12"h (but as mentioned, the height is adjustable). You should take a business trip up to our library so we can show you! Until then, hope that helps at least a bit~
6) Dumbarton Oaks Research Library
If you are not having to deal with existing compact shelving, but instead are in the process of specifying new shelving, then just spec the needed amount of oversize ranges.  We did miles (literally) of Spacesaver compact shelving on the lowest level of our new building and about ¼ of that level is filled with ranges where the shelves are 12 inches deep and they are set far enough apart to place 16” tall books on them without stress.

I’d be happy to dig out some written information on exactly what we specified if that would be useful, or I can answer questions over the phone, but I don’t want to dump details on you if you are coping with an existing installation that cannot be retrofit with deeper shelves.  I don’t have a good solution for that kind of problem, but for new installations I sort of feel like I’ve seen it all at one time or another over the 7 years of planning, construction, and first year of occupancy of a new facility.

<>7) Philbrook Museum of Art
Are you dealing with existing shelving units?  If not, you should be able to order shelf units that are 12" deep and can be adjusted for height.  Our compactible units are old (1979), but we ordered shelf units 24" deep (12" per side), and have set a standard height per shelf at about 13-1/2".  The units have covered tops.  These gives us 5 shelves per unit, while we have 6 shelves per unit in the regular shelving (non-compactible), but these do not have covered tops.  If your shelf units are a total of 18" deep (9" per side), you might be able to utilize the entire shelf unit (as long as there are no obstructions in the middle) for oversized books.  Although, I suppose that you would still have the shelf height issue.  I would definitely see if you could order shelving that is standard for art books. <>8)

8) Indianapolis
Museum
of Art
We moved into the new library space 2.5 years ago. I requested compact shelving for the entire coollection and got it! After interviewing a few companies, we decided to work with the company Space Savers. They are excellent, I worked with them before.

 It seems that you are most concerend with shelf height and width.  Our regular shelves are 14 and 15 inches high and 13 inches deep.  The oversized shelves are 7 inches high and 15 inches deep. All books that do not fit on regular shelves go to the oversized sections.  Some  very tall portfolios are shelved "through" using the oversized shelf on the other side, too.  All units (for regular sized books as well as oversized books) do not close tight but leave a space of about 8 inches open to prevent books that are sticking out to get damaged.   Depending on your needs, you can customize everything.

It also depends on your space and how much your floor can carry. We had some problems with the latter issue.

The whole system is electronic, I did not want a cranking system for several reasons.  Our system also has a parking mode, i.e. during the night we are able to space out all units for air circulation.  Laser beams at the bottom and waist high prevent the units to close when somebody is in the stacks.  I also asked for reference shelves in the stacks. They are pull-out shelves underneath a regular shelf spaced every 3 row and a height of 37 inches (comfortable reading height.

<>9) Hawaii

I know of one art library where deep compact shelving was installed. It is more like industrial shelving rather than library shelving. The librarian is away for two weeks, but I'll ask him email you when he comes back if you like.

10) Toledo Museum of Art
<>We have compact shelving in our closed stacks here at the Toledo Museum of Art.  Our first units were purchased about 20 years ago for the periodical collection.  We ordered 12-inch-wide shelving 24 inch double-sided) and continued that practice when we purchased more in 1992 at the time that we moved to a new building.  The shelving is also adjustable height-wise and we have a few places where they 15 inches apart.  <>
Really oversized materials in the open stacks (anything over 36 c.m.)
goes horizontally on flat, cantilevered shelves that are 18 inches wide.
 On those single-faced units, we requested 10 shelves per unit.

Oversized volumes in the closed stacks simply have to be shelved through
to the other side (not so great, but we've made it work) because we didn't purchase any 18-inch (36 inch double-faced) units.  It does reduce the used of the rest of the shelving in areas. <>I hope you don't have to settle for anything less - it will ruin your collection.

11) DUKE UNIVERISITY

At the Lilly, our compact shelving is Spacesaver, and the depth of our shelves are 11"  The height is completely adjustable; most of ours are set a 14".
 one of that helps you, I guess, unless there's still time to change models.  We do maintain folio shelving section shelving (there there issue is that only every other aisle is useable since folio uses both sides of the shelving for one book).  Occasionally we will lay a book on its side on either the top or bottom shelf, which are not used.  In one case, we created a slender shelf of about 6" high on the very bottom to hold books lengthwise that would otherwise be contained in the row.

12) Museum of Modern Art

I can give you the basic breakdown of our compact shelving here at MoMA.  Keep in mind that we collect exclusively modern and contemporary art books, so most of our items would be classified as oversize in a general academic library.  Currently we have 36 ranges of 12" deep shelving with a clearence height of 12".  We have 8 ranges of 15" deep shelving which have a clearence height of 18", although we could probably get away with a 15" clearence for the majority of the books on these shelves.  Finally, we have 4 "flat" ranges to store extremely large items.  These flat ranges have a depth of 23.5" and each individual bay has a width of 34".  Because all of our shelves are almost completely full at this time, I think it is safe to say that our 12" deep shelving accomodates approximately 75% of our collection, while our 15" deep shelving accomodates around 17% of our collection, and our "flat" shelving accomodates approximately 8% of our collection.  I hope this information is of some help to you.  Please feel free to email me with any other questions.  We are currently preparing to move from Queens back to Manhattan, so we have accumulated lots of detailed statistics about our collection and compact shelving.  Good luck with the conversion,

13) Philadelphia Museum of Art

We are currently getting ready to move into a new library building and our entire collection will be in compact shelving. All of our shelving will be 12" deep (width as you call it) to accommodate the generally larger size for art books. The shelf height is larger as well, with 14 1/2" openings. We also have an oversize section, still 12" deep but with height openings of  21 3/4". Everything over this size goes to folio.  It looks like you may have to put an awful lot into folio. Is there no chance you can negotiate larger shelving for art materials? Good luck!

14) FOLGER Library

We opted to have 15-in. deep double-face compact shelving throughout our Art Vault (including the one-inch gap in the middle, that makes for a straight-through shelving depth of 31 inches for the big flat books). The vendor referred to the 15-in. depth as "legal size" since it's the right depth for legal-folder document boxes. Our shelves (Elecompack brand) are adjustable every two inches.
Although we considered having a mix of regular-depth shelves and 15-in. ones, the logistics of reclassifying books into small and medium (and then finding them efficiently afterwards) weren't worth the trouble.

<><>One problem we did have: the vendor didn't grasp the fact that art books are generally heavier than "normal" books, and many of them are huge. In order to reduce the number of uprights needed, he made each shelf wider than he should have. Although he assured us they wouldn't sag under the weight of the books, they immediately did. We've been trying ever since to reinforce them, and finally gave up on getting help from the original vendor 

15) Johns Hopkins University

We have compact shelving for the bulk of our Classics collection, but not art.  The recurring problem here involved materials that are frequently consulted, requiring access to multiple volumes at one time.  In art, I'd expect that to be catalogues raisonnes, lexicons, and (depending how you have things classified) corpora of vases, inscriptiones, etc...  I'd expect folios to be troublesome too.  The Classics faculty HATE the compact shelves with a fiery passion of a thousands suns (smile...only a slight exaggeration).

<>We've also had trouble keeping the shelves themselves fully functional.  The electronic ones seem to malfunction more often than one would like. __________________________________________________________________ Mail submissions to [log in to unmask] For information about joining ARLIS/NA see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) to [log in to unmask] ARLIS-L Archives and subscription maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: [log in to unmask]