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Building upon Helen's comments, I think that at this point in the history of the two groups, why they haven't merged is a mystery. I no longer believe the argument that VR curators aren't librarians and therefore find little of relevance with ARLIS is valid. Any librarian who doesn't have to deal with issues relating to images would be a rare bird. The joint ARLIS/VRA meeting in St. Louis was highly advantageous for VRA. They were able to experience and then incorporate aspects of ARLIS conferences and society structure into their organization. Likewise, ARLIS was able to observe structure and organization of VRA. The benefits of merging the two groups far outweigh any liabilities - perceived or real. Merging the two organizations would be both troublesome and an adventure; two journals, listservs, websites or one - how to balance image versus text content at conference. It is all solvable but will require a considerable amount of flexibility and compromise from the memberships of both organizations. The ARLIS EB is in a unique position to investigate this possibility since so many of its officers and representatives come from VR backgrounds or have held VR positions. I believe that if ARLIS and VRA do not merge, they will continue to lose membership (or more basically, the interest of its members) to other groups that better address their needs to grow and develop as art information professionals in an age where libraries and our profession is evolving so swiftly. Just prying the lid off the can of worms. Gregory P. J. Most Chief, Library Image Collections National Gallery of Art Washington, DC -----Original Message----- From: ART LIBRARIES SOCIETY DISCUSSION LIST [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Chillman Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:46 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS Mark et al, My recollection, rather hazy, of a distant past is this: slide curators (aka visual resources) often came to CAA, long before there was a VRA or even an Arlis. Many of them were departmental and museum staff, not librarians, and did not feel their problems were understood by or even always respected by mainstream librarians, who were not involved in teaching or in technical projection/photography problems, as slide curators were. As an example, main entry, or creator, followed not the Bible of the Library of Congress, but the needs or dictates of the local museum director or department chairman or dean who was often, and often rightly, unimpressed by LC practice in cataloging and form of name; there were many small rough edges between the two groups at that time. As libraries now become more involved with technology, and in the art field with digital data banks and delivery of images, the two groups can meld much more easily. Joint conferences would certainly be a financial advantage for both organizations. It's certainly an important issue. Helen Chillman Yale University On Thu, 29 Jun 2006, Mark Pompelia wrote: > Maryly, Susan Jane, and ARLIS Members, > > I realize that this addresses much larger issues, but I am amazed at how VRA > & ARLIS can have such close and normal relations at the local levels > regarding how our chapters interact but at the national levels we cannot > manage to have a joint conference more than once in twenty-five years. I > recognize that our associations do relate in other arenas (SEI, joint > sponsorships, shared position papers, etc.) but this strikes me as a minimal > cooperation, not one that recognizes that anymore we are the same audience, > drawing upon the same issues, the same pool of volunteers, the same experts, > etc. > > I remain impressed by Sherman Clarke's Distinguished Service Award in Banff > when it was clear how elegantly and effortlessly he has managed to serve both > associations, and all to our collective benefit. > > I have personally felt for many years that ARLIS and VRA should enter into a > federation of sorts, one that preserves our individual strengths but steers > us toward our common goals as art information professionals, a federation > where a joint conference is the norm, not the unlikely. Yet it happens year > after year that we are no closer to such relations. Why is this so? Is it > that this relationship is not working, or is it that this is the way this > affiliation works? I do not have the answers, but the questions have never > been formally asked. > > Furthermore, if the questions cannot be asked at the board levels (for > whatever reasons, but it goes beyond any one board or any one organization), > then as members we should seek answers under a member-driven arrangement > (petition? blog?). Is joint conference registration the best we can do? > > Thanks, > Mark > > Mark Pompelia > Director, Visual Resources Center > Dept. of Art History > Rice University > PO Box 1892, MS 21 > Houston TX 77251-1892 > > Editor, VRA Bulletin <http://www.vraweb.org/> > Past President, ARLIS Texas-Mexico Chapter <http://www.arlis-txmx.org> > > e: [log in to unmask] > p: 713-348-4836 > f: 713-348-4039 > URL: http://arthistory.rice.edu > > > At 12:12 PM -0400 6/29/06, Susan Jane Williams wrote: >> I agree with Maryly. >> I understand that this opens an even more complex set of issues, but since >> the ARLIS board and membership are going to reconsider Chapter issues, I >> would strongly urge that they take a look at the important symbiosis >> between VRA regional chapters and ARLIS chapters. I think we can do much >> better than a conference discount in terms of real reciprocity at this >> critical time of change in both the librarian and visual resources >> professions. >> Since Ann has been president of VRA and is now president of ARLIS, I think >> she has the background information necessary to help this process and I >> would hope for a simple solution along the lines of a slightly more >> expensive per meeting charge for "cross-over" attendance (which would equal >> annual chapter dues if two meetings were attended). I don't think the >> benefits of such interaction can be boiled down to only revenue. >> Best, >> Susan >> Susan Jane Williams >> Data Specialist and User Services Liaison >> Saskia Ltd./ Scholars Resource, Inc. >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>susanjane_williams@hotmailcom >> or >> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>[log in to unmask] >> Cell: (203) 927-3640 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS >> >> Maryly, >> Members of ARLIS/NA and VRA are affiliated and through that affiliation >> members from both organizations receive the member discount at each >> organization's conferences. This is the agreement between ARLIS/NA and VRA. >> Ann >> >> Subject: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS >> >> Since ARLIS is affiliated with VRA and because many of the ARLIS chapter >> members who are NOT members of ARLIS/NA are dues-paying members of VRA, >> shouldn't they get some reciprocal privileges? >> >> Thanks, >> Maryly >> >> !DSPAM:44a4043423775021468! >> __________________________________________________________________ Mail >> submissions to [log in to unmask] For information about joining ARLIS/NA >> see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send administrative matters (file >> requests, subscription requests, etc) to [log in to unmask] ARLIS-L >> Archives and subscription maintenance: >> http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may be addressed to list >> owner (Judy Dyki) at: [log in to unmask] > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Mail submissions to [log in to unmask] > For information about joining ARLIS/NA see: > http://www.arlisna.org/join.html > Send administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) > to [log in to unmask] > ARLIS-L Archives and subscription maintenance: > http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html > Questions may be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: [log in to unmask] > __________________________________________________________________ Mail submissions to [log in to unmask] For information about joining ARLIS/NA see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) to [log in to unmask] ARLIS-L Archives and subscription maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: [log in to unmask] __________________________________________________________________ Mail submissions to [log in to unmask] For information about joining ARLIS/NA see: http://www.arlisna.org/join.html Send administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) to [log in to unmask] ARLIS-L Archives and subscription maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may be addressed to list owner (Judy Dyki) at: [log in to unmask]