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I would second all of these points, and would add the enormous financial burden faced by those of us who try to be active in both organizations. This was always difficult, but it's now becoming almost prohibitive. It is also ironic, in that we need the interaction of our various constituencies more now than ever before. We have so much to share with each other, as was amply demonstrated at this year's SEI. But we seem to be two organizational trains on two parallel tracks that rarely, if ever, arrive at the same station. Eileen Fry Indiana University ________________________________ From: ART LIBRARIES SOCIETY DISCUSSION LIST [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Pompelia Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:00 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS Maryly, Susan Jane, and ARLIS Members, I realize that this addresses much larger issues, but I am amazed at how VRA & ARLIS can have such close and normal relations at the local levels regarding how our chapters interact but at the national levels we cannot manage to have a joint conference more than once in twenty-five years. I recognize that our associations do relate in other arenas (SEI, joint sponsorships, shared position papers, etc.) but this strikes me as a minimal cooperation, not one that recognizes that anymore we are the same audience, drawing upon the same issues, the same pool of volunteers, the same experts, etc. I remain impressed by Sherman Clarke's Distinguished Service Award in Banff when it was clear how elegantly and effortlessly he has managed to serve both associations, and all to our collective benefit. I have personally felt for many years that ARLIS and VRA should enter into a federation of sorts, one that preserves our individual strengths but steers us toward our common goals as art information professionals, a federation where a joint conference is the norm, not the unlikely. Yet it happens year after year that we are no closer to such relations. Why is this so? Is it that this relationship is not working, or is it that this is the way this affiliation works? I do not have the answers, but the questions have never been formally asked. Furthermore, if the questions cannot be asked at the board levels (for whatever reasons, but it goes beyond any one board or any one organization), then as members we should seek answers under a member-driven arrangement (petition? blog?). Is joint conference registration the best we can do? Thanks, Mark Mark Pompelia Director, Visual Resources Center Dept. of Art History Rice University PO Box 1892, MS 21 Houston TX 77251-1892 Editor, VRA Bulletin <http://www.vraweb.org/> Past President, ARLIS Texas-Mexico Chapter <http://www.arlis-txmx.org> e: [log in to unmask] p: 713-348-4836 f: 713-348-4039 URL: http://arthistory.rice.edu At 12:12 PM -0400 6/29/06, Susan Jane Williams wrote: I agree with Maryly. I understand that this opens an even more complex set of issues, but since the ARLIS board and membership are going to reconsider Chapter issues, I would strongly urge that they take a look at the important symbiosis between VRA regional chapters and ARLIS chapters. I think we can do much better than a conference discount in terms of real reciprocity at this critical time of change in both the librarian and visual resources professions. Since Ann has been president of VRA and is now president of ARLIS, I think she has the background information necessary to help this process and I would hope for a simple solution along the lines of a slightly more expensive per meeting charge for "cross-over" attendance (which would equal annual chapter dues if two meetings were attended). I don't think the benefits of such interaction can be boiled down to only revenue. Best, Susan Susan Jane Williams Data Specialist and User Services Liaison Saskia Ltd./ Scholars Resource, Inc. susanjane_williams@hotmailcom <mailto:[log in to unmask]> or [log in to unmask] Cell: (203) 927-3640 ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS Maryly, Members of ARLIS/NA and VRA are affiliated and through that affiliation members from both organizations receive the member discount at each organization's conferences. This is the agreement between ARLIS/NA and VRA. Ann Subject: [ARLIS-L] VRA & ARLIS Since ARLIS is affiliated with VRA and because many of the ARLIS chapter members who are NOT members of ARLIS/NA are dues-paying members of VRA, shouldn't they get some reciprocal privileges? 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