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Or, It's not the mileage, it's the traffic. If you are coming to LA for ARLIS 2001, and we know you are, you may also be planning on taking some time before or after the conference to travel around. First time visitors to the greater LA area may be in for a bit of shock, traffic shock. Angelenos may complain endlessly about the traffic here but we are also inured to it. We know that shorter distances take a proportionally larger amount of time to travel than longer distances. Two miles can easily take fifteen minutes or more, depending on where you are going and when. Although morning rush hour(s) is usually less stressful than afternoon/evening rush hour(s) in some parts of the city you have to worry about lunch rush hour as well. Don't ever estimate your travel time by the number of miles it takes to get there. The San Diego Freeway is often referred to as a parking lot for good reason. The best advice any of us can give you is don't be in a rush, allow at least 15-30 minutes extra travel time to go anywhere, avoid late afternoon travel during the week (4 pm-7 pm), and know what the parking is like before you go anywhere (be prepared to pay for it and pay attention to posted parking signs, you will be ticketed!). Or better yet, sit back and relax on our conference tours detailed at http://arlis2001.ucsd.edu/schedule/tours/index.html Here are some travel times to popular places in Southern California from the Los Angeles airport (AKA LAX), unless otherwise noted: Wilshire Grand Hotel in downtown LA - 45 minutes (from Burbank Airport app. 30 minutes) Cambria/San Simeon - 3.5 hours Carmel/Monterey - 4.5 hours Disneyland - 1 hour Las Vegas - we recommend you fly as it can be a very boring drive, 4 hours, unless you take Pearblossom Hwy (immortalized by David Hockney). Take the 14 to Pearblossom which takes you through Littlerock (CA, not Arkansas); then the 15 at Victorville (observe the rearing horse in front of the highly amusing Roy Rogers museum); then to Baker (note the Bun Boy restaurant, see the world's tallest thermometer and sample a "pretty damn good" strawberry shake); rest of the ride is boring, but when you get to the top of the hill and look down on Stateline, Nevada you can make some money by betting your traveling companion that it looks like 9.4 miles to the border, because it is. Stateline has its own casinos and a frighteningly fun roller coaster. Long Beach - 35 minutes (time of day is a BIG factor) Palm Springs - 2 hours Pasadena - 1 hour San Diego - 2 hours, by train 3 hours Santa Barbara - 2.25 hours San Francisco - we recommend you fly, it's so much faster but I5 is app. 5 hours, coastal route app. 8 (if you have time to stop along the way we do recommend the coastal route, lots of places to visit and beautiful scenery). A time and scenery compromise is the 101. It takes about 6 hours; all of it is more scenic than the I-5; and parts of it are by the ocean. Santa Monica - 30 minutes, less depending on route (Lincoln can be faster than the 405) and ultimate destination UCLA/Getty - 30 minutes Ventura - 1.5 hours Check out our fabulous website for its drive time maps and our webmasters take on traffic: http://arlis2001.ucsd.edu/driving.html Dawn Henney Publicity, ARLIS/NA 2001 conference [log in to unmask] __________________________________________________________________ Mail submissions to [log in to unmask] Administrative matters (file requests, subscription requests, etc) to [log in to unmask] ARLIS-L Archives and subscription maintenance: http://lsv.uky.edu/archives/arlis-l.html Questions may be addressed to list owner (Kerri Scannell) at: [log in to unmask]